Playboys and Penthouses...

[TheFreud]

A politician down south thinks that looking at girly mags makes guys more likely to commit sex crimes- and now wants to take yours away from you on base.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134035

[Disgruntled]

We already have to hide the covers of most magazines that show "too much". Imagine having to put plain wrappers on Cosmopolitan!

There are idiots out there who have actually complained because they don't think UNDERWEAR should be displayed where kids might see them. Get over it! The PX is there for the convenience of the troops. That means their spouses can do their shopping for them, thus freeing them up for "the mission".

Adult materials have been around as long as mankind has had access to art materials, so what makes this guy think taking them out of one venue will keep a soldier from buying them from the convenience store just outside the gate?

I know that in Freud's hometown, there is a huge adult store right outside the gate from the base. The "nice" politician going to shut them down too? I don't think that censoring what is available to make some random prude happy is going to make the TROOPS do their jobs any better.

BTW, Paul Broun is really grandstanding to get reelected, but people aren't that fond of him. If the woman saw the purchase on base, chances are she WASN'T a constituent.

[alan1973]

We already have to hide the covers of most magazines that show "too much". Imagine having to put plain wrappers on Cosmopolitan!

There are idiots out there who have actually complained because they don't think UNDERWEAR should be displayed where kids might see them. Get over it! The PX is there for the convenience of the troops. That means their spouses can do their shopping for them, thus freeing them up for "the mission".

Adult materials have been around as long as mankind has had access to art materials, so what makes this guy think taking them out of one venue will keep a soldier from buying them from the convenience store just outside the gate?

I know that in Freud's hometown, there is a huge adult store right outside the gate from the base. The "nice" politician going to shut them down too? I don't think that censoring what is available to make some random prude happy is going to make the TROOPS do their jobs any better.

BTW, Paul Broun is really grandstanding to get reelected, but people aren't that fond of him. If the woman saw the purchase on base, chances are she WASN'T a constituent.

True, True.
in my PX, we caught a bible thumper intentionally placing playboys in the religion and children's section, just so he could complain about them.

[TheFreud]

That place is still there?! Holy Hannah! Is Dotty's still there too, with their little slot machines, old lady at the counter, and fridge full of beers in the back?

I agree it is grandstanding, but all this nutty politician needs is to have a bunch of holier than thou bible beaters getting loud about it and taking one more piece of adult society away from the military. My mom used to tell me that if the government really wanted the troops to be married, they'd have issued wives with the c-bags. Yes, families are a big part of the military life- but to make it all "about the kids" instead of the troops is just insane.

[Disgruntled]

Still there. So is the superstore just down the road.

Of course it is grandstanding, but the military is getting all "Crusades" on the troops with the idea that they should all be good, God-fearing Christians OR ELSE.

I was an Army brat, but it was still all about the troops when my father was in the military. Now it is all about the "lifestyle" which forgets that things need to be there for the troops' convenience--including shoes for the family so he/she doesn't have to stress while taking care of his mission. If grown-up magazines help relieve the stress, so what?

Here is the actual text of the bill:

http://broun.house.gov/pdf/MilitaryHonorBill.pdf

If I read it correctly, it would also ban VIDEOS if there are any sex in them. It doesn't say "X-rated"--it says "ANY". It would also ban a lot of music if there are songs about sex. In other words, our troops are babies and cannot be exposed to such adult things like the human body and actions thereof.

What a tool. I gather he represents the Ft. Gordon area.

[Thatguy4]

Ok here is me on my high horse.

So these butt heads want to ban pornography for whatever the reason.  Lets take his example of sex crimes going up.  Hmm interesting point.  So your solution is banning pornography?  Aren't you from the Vietnam era?  I am pretty sure that commanders encouraged their troops to go off base and have a good time.  Subtitle there was go get laid.  Everyone knows that it was prime time in Vietnam for any type of "woman of the night" entertainment.  They were also allowed to do drugs.  His statements reads that sex crimes are going up.  Ok then let the troops get laid look at pornography.  If it was low then it will be low again.

But no this is not the thinking.  I believe it is hard for any non Christian to get along in the military now adays.  Whats funnier to me is that every generation seems to come up with some kind of ban.  Not a lot of people know that matches are in the MRE's because they were used to light the cigarettes that came in them.  They removed the smoke and left the matches.  The military used to have pin up girls on their planes.  At the time this was considered racy.  When was the last time you saw something like that?  I am surprised they haven't gone through aircraft museums and painted over them.  During deployments troops fall under general order number 1.  No booze, no sex, no pornography.  They can not be serious.  Almost all the freedoms people living in the United States enjoy are being taken away from the military people who protect those freedoms.  Alcohol is mentioned in almost every conflict.  Military members drank while deployed.  Not to the point of not being able to do their jobs but as a way to unwind.  The guys looked at pictures of girls because it got them away from staring at their lonely buddies and hearing stories about missing their significant others.  It seems that there is no release from the military life style. 

On another note do not get me started about military dependants.  Nothing against those who have families but piss off.  Single military members are being taken advantage of.  Kids who are not monitored run into people just shopping.  You can not eat on base without hearing some kid screaming or sitting next to someones teenager who thinks they have more right to be on base then you do.  Kids are driving on base with a bull horn doing whatever they want.  Single NCO's are living next to some (un-monitored) Christian kid center where they can not go outside of their rooms for fear of breaking up some high school make out session.  Not to mention they hang out outside hooting and hollering at each other.  Parents drop them off and forget about them, but those of us with out kids have to put up with them because you don't want to.  Last time I checked when you joined the military you became an adult.  You made a choice that affected you life to a large degree.  Now people are taking that away from you.  You are constantly being treated like children or worse yet puppets.

I love being in the military.  I love my life style, and I love the things that I do, and the reason I do them.  I love being part of a free nation and defending it, and its beliefs.  however, I wonder why I have more rules put on me then are necessary.  Why do we fight to take away the freedoms of the people who help give it to us? 

Who cares that some officer bought a playboy at the PX?  How hard is it to distract your children from looking at someone in uniform on a military installation really?  Maybe you should just let them run around like most of the other people who (obviously) didn't plan on having children do.  Again I am not saying everyone is like this but the people who are make it harder for all of us.  The military is, for the most part, a boys club.  Now while not everyone is male, it still implies that it is a place for adults.  It should cater to adults.  I know it is hard to do solely that when there are a lot of families in the military but the Troop comes first.  The service member should be the priority of everyone on the installation.  Without them there is no installation.  People need to suck it up and realize that God is in the military but he isn't the military.  Jesus only got mad at the people selling things in a church, as far as the bible is concerned.  He never fought a war, he never served a country.  He was a teacher and a philosopher.  The average service member is a trained killer.  figure it out, do the math. 

Sorry for ranting and raving but this seems standard for the military.  Maybe they should recruit at focus on the family or in churches.

[palmdale]

I have always believed in seperation of church and state. I do not believe that any church should be lobbying to limit another persons rights. We are not a Christian nation (I´m certain that some of you readers may be offended by this remark) but a nation that has preached the right of every citizen to practice their religious beliefs. The banning of adult reading materials only causes young men to seek comfort in other places. I do not believe that some crusty old "bible belt" preacher ought to be lobbying anything for our young troops. If they have a need to enjoy a magazine or film in the privacy of their dorm room, then more power to them.

[Don_Coyote]

Thatguy is totally right... I got nothin against families, (I got a few friends with families too), but this is a MILITARY installation, so it should cater mainly to MILITARY members (and DoD employees, because they work with us too). Now I ain't speaking for the other single folks, but without a family to maintain, I'm pretty care-free, and when the AF needs me, I'll be ready to rock n roll right then and there. It really sucks that people don't look at it that way, they look at us like we're a buncha drunken, sex-crazed scoundrels, that only joined for the guns and alcohol... well I am that kind of person, and I ain't ashamed of it! ...but that's not the point. As Thatguy mentioned, back in the early-mid 20th century, we (the military) were all about going out, shooting things, and getting laid, how many lil kids got raped back then? ...I don't know the exact number, but I can sure as hell say not NEARLY as many as nowadays. Ah, back in the 1940s, when a black pilot can fly through Nazi Germany with a half-naked white chick painted on the side of his plane... now were all worried too much about offending people, even our ENEMIES!?! We're starting to forget what makes America so awesome, which was the freedom to do whatever, so long as it doesn't f*** with anyone else's rights, and being a whinny little facist ain't exactly in the constitution. If you're offended by someone's lifestyle that they're free to live, that's too damn bad. Don't like it? ...take your a$$ to China and complain about how their culture offends you.

[Dman]

Wow! I totally missed this article. I like what you folks have to say. Bottom line is, Jesus freaks are communists. They believe in taking our constitutional rights away. You have to act the way they want you to act. You have to display the image that is only acceptable to them. I am a Christian and I was taught tolerance and forgiveness. If you decide you want to be an athiest, Satan worshiper, gay or what ever, it's your decision. I do what I think is right because I have to live with my decisions. No one has the right to appoint themselves the deciders of what is acceptable. The bible says, "If you are rightious, then throw the first stone." It also talks about letting God do the judging and accepting your enemies with love etc etc. Jesus freaks believe that they are all going to heaven in the "Rapture" and everyone else will be thrown into the firey pits of hell. So who appointed these assholes as the divine? How is that being Christian? Jesus is shaking his head wondering why people decide to interprit his teachings in the book of Mathews to suit their own lives. Jesus tried to teach us that it is extremely hard to be a good person as to how God truely wants us to be. He wanted us to accept eachother and love one another. He did not want assholes to make other people miserable and make profits from his church and place people in power positions claiming that they are the only folks going to heaven. Just my thought on these assholes who say they are Christians. Good luck on judgement day, when God asks you how you followed his teachings. One more thing... Jesus freaks are the biggest hypocrites there are. They talk so much crap about no matter what you do, God forgives you. That is true to some aspect but it does not mean you have a free ticket to be a complete sinner because you go to church more than others. It means that you should ask for forgiveness and try like hell not to keep repeating the same sins.

[Homer]

Okay now boys and girls can you spell - P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A?

[Disgruntled]

I get the gist of his rant.

The government and its stores are not supposed to be in the business of defining what morality is. However, the current administration is in the pocket of evangelicals who want to force everyone to be as religiously wound up as they are.

I don't like the magazines in questions as they do objectify women (although Playboy has some of the best journalism around), but I am not going to stop someone else's right to look at them because they ARE legal.

I find it odd that we are supposed now babysit the GROWN people that are protecting our country.

[Don_Coyote]

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call the "Super Christians" communists. I believe the correct term is facist, but not all of them are that way. The ones I live around in the middle of butt-f**kin nowhere, Oklahoma generally are. I think this nation was founded on Christian priciples, and was accepting of all other religions, some people only consider half of it... all the over-conservatives only see it as "It was founded by christians, so it christianity all the way!", and all the over-liberals are all like "we have to be accepting of everyone... except christians... they're evil!" This is pretty much the only instance where the super christians piss me off... when they push their standards on everyone else. The over-liberals, however, do the same thing, only they like to push anti-christianity onto others. This is why I don't consider myself on either side, cuz all it is, is pushing your standards (or lack there of) on everyone else. This crap has no place in any stores (unless it's a religion-based store).

[TheFreud]

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call the "Super Christians" communists. I believe the correct term is facist, but not all of them are that way. The ones I live around in the middle of butt-f**kin nowhere, Oklahoma generally are.

You call them fascists? I call them ZEALOTS.
As I have now landed my butt square in the middle of bible-beater country, I more often than not find myself biting my tongue and walking my ass away... especially where I work (My supervisor actually believes that Obama is THE anti-christ). It makes me hate issues like this all the more. My favorite sport is watching the political scandals of these self-righteous crusaders of morality get busted... (i.e. for propositioning undercover cops in airport bathrooms).

Hey- does anyone know if this clown won his bid for re-election, or did the little neo-con prick stand on a stack of bibles and preach his way back into the government he insults and defiles with his blatant disregard for separation of church and state?

[geeker]

I get the gist of his rant.

The government and its stores are not supposed to be in the business of defining what morality is. However, the current administration is in the pocket of evangelicals who want to force everyone to be as religiously wound up as they are.

Sorry but this happened back in '96 when Clinton was in office. AAFES (by mandate of congress) took over the Stars & Stripes book stores. AAFES expanded the "Adult" magazine section. Then in 1996 the military came up with that "moral and blah,blah,blah" thing where it's up to the military to say what's "offensive". That includes music and movies. The Nuremberg P.X had to trash a ton of magazines...........

[yustaworkthere]

It had gotten so bad that one sexually frustrated officers wife even had the nerve to write a complaint to aafes about the little esso station off ramstein base that sold some german tittie mags, and she complained that aafes should expect the same results from their vendors that they expect in their stores.  The woman complained that her 10 year son had even seen a pair titties on the cover of the mag, and she will have to take him to therapy.

She also wrote a letter to the editor and waived a sign in protest for a day until the gas station owner had her arrested for tresspassing.

I would personally be more afraid of a single airman bunch of sheep farming mags than buying a bunch of penthause.

But with on-line porn, who buys those mags anymore anyway?  I know, I know, we were buying them for the informative articles and interviews right?