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[W Law Firm]

I heard from a former employee in Texas that his co-workers are  being forced to work overtime but then they are not paid for the overtime.  Is this accurate?  Is this a local problem?

[Cowboy]

If it is accurate, then they are opening themselves up to a serious lawsuit.  Making people work and not compensating them is called slavery and we abolished that over a century ago...  It's also federal law that overtime is 1-1/2 time pay.  The pay can be replaced with paid time off though.  I don't know about your friends, but I don't work for free...

[Disgruntled]

There is no legal comp time for hourly wage employees in AAFES. Salaried employees can be given that option.

But, yeah, W-it happens all the time and not just in Texas. Time is routinely edited to "erase" the tell-tale punches.

Everyone saw Mr. Howard's message about OT, but the managers in the field just laughed their collective butts off and pretty much dared anyone to do anything about it.

[bnthrdntht]

Completely correct.  I saw it being done hundreds of times.  When someone was late or didn´t show up people were asked to stay over and seldom or ever given the 1,5 times in comp time.  There is so much manipulation of the KRONOS system that if investigated by an outside party, Aafes would have to replace 90 percent of their managers.

[Insider1]

Of course its standard operating procedure. There was supposedly an audit made of Kronos and the convenient ability of management to adjust punches, but if it was even done on a semi-serious scale than the folks auditing are awfully slow to figure it out. The biggest scare in the local Store Manager's day is accidentally or deliberating causing one of their people to go into overtime. That is supposed to be approved by the General Manager who would have a proverbial cow in having to approve it. Its much safer and much easier to simply manipulate the punches in Kronos.

Happens all the time and happens everywhere. It is possible that the dim crowd at Dallas HQ actually doesn't realize it in their make believe world.

[posgirl]

speaking of manipulating kronos,, i work at a 24 hour store,, our store manager routingly makes the mistake of punching in the wrong time so instead of 3rd shift hours they somehow fall under 1 st shift. bye bye night diff,,she will fix it if you catch it.

[Escapemax]

 They have this new system that started on 1/09/10. The 3 minute window for punching out is gone. And it wont pay more than 8 hours in a day.
 As far as HQ, I am betting most are Salaried. So they can put all the screws to the HPPs that they want.

[Disgruntled]

You are misinformed about the 8 hours max pay.

The big difference is that punching in a minute late is not supposed to dock any time. However, the LMS operators  in many places play with it like crazy and edit like fiends. Ours keeps telling people punching in a minute early will dock time and that is not true, either.

Personally, I think a person should get paid exactly what they worked. None of this rounding-up/down crap!

[Escapemax]

I have access to Kronos to view my Timecard. No matter when I punch in early, It still only shows 8 hours for the day.  Under the old system, When I was being used as a supervisor, Kronos would show my actual hours on the clock. Then was edited by a manager later before payroll was turned in.

[Disgruntled]

Unless you submitted an adjustment, KRONOS will only show your allowable scheduled work hours.

The rest is now disappearing automatically, from what the LMS operator is telling me.

[W Law Firm]

Did you file a greivance with the union for unpaid OT? were you an asssistant supevisor who was not paid OT?

[Escapemax]

 There was an incident back awhile ago. I was sent to Ft Monmouth. Came in at 7am. Supposed to leave at 3:30pm. It was just after 3:30pm when I turned in the car keys. To the HR Manager. Filled out a "Time adjustment" form. Gave it to my manager. Who reminded me that AAFES "Does Not pay Over Time". Never mind the fact that I was driving the AAFES car full of associates when I was supposed to leave. Left it with her and never got paid.  Then I got some story about how the GM has to approve the OT. Never mind the fact that it was worked.

[Disgruntled]

I wish Mike Howard would read this. So much for his memo last fall that said if it was worked, it gets paid for. The idea that you have to get OT approved in advance is BS because you cannot anticipate every incidence of needing it. The only time pre-approved OT exists realistically is maybe around inventory and during major resets. The rest of the time, if you are doing your freaking job, it should be paid with no questions asked.

Proper scheduling with enough overlapping of bodies to allow the person getting off work time to hand off a customer and not get stuck is what is needed.

And, Escapemax--you should have been paid OT because you were in an official vehicle doing assigned work. Period.