Topic: Hey does this site also run AAFESSUCKS.Com_Sucks.com???????

[JohnHammer]

 Yes lsts make some corrections for the DUMB(You?)



The paid insurance for life for retirees was discontinued in 1998 except for those working already and they were grandfathered in.

Actually 1999 so you are WRONG.. And anyone after 1999 still gets 80% paid up medical.. Nuf said...


There are some good benefits for Full time...but there is an awfully large chunk of the work force who are either RPT or INT..and they won't get to retire...just wave good bye.


Ummmmmm Go work for Walley World as a checker and see what you get for retirement...  A Big kick in th arse



next??

[Disgruntled]

I love educating the misinformed…

Lets continue this lesson..

Facts

Actually no its not capped at 15%...  Nice try but I believe you just pulled that number out of the air to sound like you know what your talking about..
What Actually happens is that after all operating costs(which includes upgrades to stores on base and new stores) are deducted from Earnings, whatever is left(Not 15% of it…  100% of it) is returned to us the customers.
For example, Over just the last 5 years AAFES has returned back to its customer over 200 million.

Doing the math--the annual profits for 2009  were about $340M or so. They are still cooking the books and waiting on results from inventory and the reimbursements from the military for OIF before they give out the final numbers. There is a lot more than MRW money that comes out of that $340 or so million. But, considering that AAFES grosses over $10 BILLION, $340M is more like about 23% or so. Once all those other costs come out, the 15% figure (from gross to final net) for MWR is indeed close to correct. Last year (2009), AAFES said they gave back around $264.5 M from the over $10 BILLION gross/$376.2M net in FY 2008. By their own words, they only give back 2/3 of the net.

http://www.aafes.com/pa/history/docs/JUL09.pdf

AAFES is audited by outside accounting firms each year just like any other publically held company…

There is not a comprehensive audit every year. More like different areas in different years...

LOL  Housing for the EXEC management???  Not sure where you got that from but again figure you pulled it out of the air..
There is NO housing provided for anyone (From the CEO to the janitor).   The ONLY housing that is provided is when AAFES employees deploy.

I know for a fact you are wrong and would post the names of those who have now and have been provided housing, but that would be telling tales out of class. Housing for the SES level managers can be provided at certain remote locations within CONUS.

AAFES has no high paid Lawyers…  LOL…  As stated, all pay is capped… Yes even the lawyers that work for AAFES..   Basically the same pay scale the military uses…

If the military was paying SES salaries to their lawyers. There are lawyers on payroll AND there are lawyers on permanent retainer.

While it is true AAFES does not offer any stock options to its Employees (By Law they cant by the way), they do offer one of the best retirement pension programs of any company in the world…  Including “Paid up Insurance” once you retire..  What does Paid up Insurance mean???  Once you retire, you and your spouse(if you are married) have Insurance the rest of your life and you pay NO premiums..

Misinformed again. The pension you speak of is pretty crappy unless the employee is FULL time, has been FULL time for the majority of their service and have been paying into a 401(k) out of their own pockets for all that time. AAFES, unlike most private entities does NOT match funds at all, so don't lie to those who have less resources to research it. The only internal pension AAFES provides is a tiny annuity based on a mandatory withholding of a whopping 1% of one's pay check (unless you have more withheld, but no matching here, either). Again, this is ONLY if you are a full-time employee. Last year was the first that AAFES allowed RPT associates to have 401(k) plans.

You're also misinformed about the insurance duration. IF an employee had insurance on 31 December 1999, that employee was grandfathered into the "lifetime" guarantee. Again, that is ONLY if the employee is a FULL time employee at retirement and takes an immediate annuity, penalties or not. Otherwise, one could be an RPT employee for 30 years (as many spouses are/were) and end up with ZERO. Any RFT employee starting their insurance 1 January 2000 or later will only have that free coverage until they are eligible for Medicare. Then it goes bye-bye. This will not affect most of the current crew of long-term employees, but it impacts the new crop. Either way, one must have 15 years of continuous coverage or no "lifetime" benefit. Since AAFES didn't even offer health coverage to the RPTs until 1996, the first wave from the few that made it to RFT positions won't be vetted till next year.

[Disgruntled]

Continued from above:

Another little know fact most people don’t know or realize…  AAFES is self sufficient..    What does this mean?  It means AAFES receives NO tax payers dollars to run AAFES..  AAFES pays ALL its on bills from its earnings…(And then as stated gives the profits back)

That is also not correct. AAFES does get IMPREST funding from tax dollars. Look it up. They are also reimbursed for some of those "losses" in war zones. In addition, AAFES stuff is shipped on military transport, so no cost there.

Oh and  "World Peace withing 10 years"....   LOL..  When Pigs fly...

Anyway class dismissed for today…. But I could go on and on…

Until the next lesson remember boys and girls
As John Adams said….. “Facts are such stubborn things”

Yes, they are. Pity you know none.

[Disgruntled]

bnthrdntht on Yesterday at 01:13:45 AM
     Just a postscript,  None of the other Major retailers have a chance for this market because of Aafes paid lawyers, who they seem to have a lot of money for.  Personally I see world peace coming in the next ten years.  Then there will be no need for militaries, it will all be electronic.  WTF are you going to do then, Aafes?

The major retailers ARE interested, but want to set the rules-like how benefits are paid, etc.

To answer the troll, Walmart and Target may not give money to the military, but that is not their chief customer base. The Walmarts and Targets outside the gates of most bases have their community contributions posted on the wall near their checkouts. They contribute money and goods to THEIR communities, just as AAFES does.

But, anyway...

John is trying SO hard to disguise "himself" and it just isn't working. He's a management troll that needs to find another way to sing the AAFES song.

[bnthrdntht]

JH should see if the url Aafesrocks is available.  Aafes just conducted an employee survey, would be interesting to see if this troll already has the results,  Oh, by the way, I would like to say that dumb is not a nice thing to say.     

[WhoKnows]

Wow, all those dazzling "facts" and AAFES is still hated by the military.

You guys had better milk the cash cow in Iraq for all its worth, because when that "war" ends you will see those "profits" drop faster than AAFES can transfer a worthless manager.

Afghanistan will not be so lucrative, because the commander has put you guys on notice and you will not be able to drain the soldiers there like you have in Iraq.

You only have Europe to gain any meaningful earnings,  because stateside AAFES is a joke.

hahahahahahahahaha

Iraq has been a BIG lose for AAFES you DUMB  ARSS..


If not in Iraq AAFes WOULD HAVE MADE tons OF MORTE MONEY... UMMMM mONEY FOR YOU hELLO...



yOU PEOPLE ARE SOOOOOOOO dUMB.. i AM SORRY,.... bUT YOU AR..

This is too funny.  AAFES and the thought of making money should not even be allowed in the same sentence, but if that is what they tell you to say.  JH, if you would read your script you are quoting from HQ does not want Iraq mentioned.  They want people to think that they lost money in Iraq, when the total opposite is true.  AAFES screwed those servicemembers in Iraq thoroughly.  Overpriced, out-of-date, repaired and whatever other merchandise was pushed on them and HQ encouraged it.  AAFES used to be for the military, but now it is all about that declining bottom line.

Oh yeah, JH, dumb arse is a relative term commonly used by those who are related to one.

[WhoKnows]

"Afghanistan will not be so lucrative, because the commander has put you guys on notice and you will not be able to drain the soldiers there like you have in Iraq."


please PLEASE, PLEASE you people pull more shite out fo the air then Al gore..

I would LOVE to see you back up this dumb arse no clue statement...  Please...

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=67911

Is this back up enough? 

Please leave Al Gore out of this, because people like you make him look like a genius by your mere existence.      Wait on it........................................................................................

[JohnHammer]

Wow…  Where do I start..  ummmm  Lets see…

You guys are too easy..


“Doing the math--the annual profits for 2009  were about $340M or so. They are still cooking the books and waiting on results from inventory and the reimbursements from the military for OIF before they give out the final numbers. There is a lot more than MRW money that comes out of that $340 or so million. But, considering that AAFES grosses over $10 BILLION, $340M is more like about 23% or so. Once all those other costs come out, the 15% figure (from gross to final net) for MWR is indeed close to correct. Last year (2009), AAFES said they gave back around $264.5 M from the over $10 BILLION gross/$376.2M net in FY 2008. By their own words, they only give back 2/3 of the net”


Never said it was not 15%....  Said that is was Not capped at 15%...  But nice try…


“There is not a comprehensive audit every year. More like different areas in different years...”

Sorry..  You are flat wrong here…  AAFES is given a complete Audit each and every year by E&Y….  These results are then given to the DOD for review and approval…    Try again with your Info..


“I know for a fact you are wrong and would post the names of those who have now and have been provided housing, but that would be telling tales out of class. Housing for the SES level managers can be provided at certain remote locations within CONUS.”

Prove it….  I have never heard of this in my life and down through the years I have known several Execs from AAFES..
Housing is only provided to AAFES employees that are deployed… 

[JohnHammer]

“If the military was paying SES salaries to their lawyers. There are lawyers on payroll AND there are lawyers on permanent retainer.”

Not sure what point you were trying to make here but AAFES does have a whole staff of lawyers that fall under the same pay scale as all other AAFES employees.   But if AAFES has any lawyers on retainer, they would be DOD lawyers..

Misinformed again. The pension you speak of is pretty crappy unless the employee is FULL time, has been FULL time for the majority of their service and have been paying into a 401(k) out of their own pockets for all that time. AAFES, unlike most private entities does NOT match funds at all, so don't lie to those who have less resources to research it. The only internal pension AAFES provides is a tiny annuity based on a mandatory withholding of a whopping 1% of one's pay check (unless you have more withheld, but no matching here, either). Again, this is ONLY if you are a full-time employee. Last year was the first that AAFES allowed RPT associates to have 401(k) plans.


I never said anything about Full time vs Part time so I should have been more clear..  But what I said (For full time is completely true)
You are also correct that AAFES does NOT match 401k…  But you failed to stat that is this by law they can not match 401k..  After all AAFES is not like a typical company and the fall under the DOD.  So no lies here..  Not sure why you accused me of that unless you are feeling guilty about some of your misinformation you are trying to spread…  Oh and You are again wrong on another point..  You DO NOT have to contribute anything to your 401k to get retirement..  The only qualification is for retirement is the number 85…  I am sure you know that that means correct??  The combination of both your age and years of service must = 85 for you to get full retirement…  So don’t lie to people that can research it themselves..   And again other area you are COMPLETELY wrong is what you said about the tiny annuity?  LOL  you must be kidding…  Is 66% or 70%(for EMP)  of your salary considered tiny??  You are nuts if you think so..  And you lie again when you say “Unless you have more withheld”….    You have no choice to have more withheld for the annuity…  It is set at 1% yet you get 66% or 70% once you retired…    Really please get your facts correct before you post on a subject you obviously know nothing about..  You are really making yourself look kind of bad..


“You're also misinformed about the insurance duration. IF an employee had insurance on 31 December 1999, that employee was grandfathered into the "lifetime" guarantee. Again, that is ONLY if the employee is a FULL time employee at retirement and takes an immediate annuity, penalties or not. Otherwise, one could be an RPT employee for 30 years (as many spouses are/were) and end up with ZERO. Any RFT employee starting their insurance 1 January 2000 or later will only have that free coverage until they are eligible for Medicare. Then it goes bye-bye. This will not affect most of the current crew of long-term employees, but it impacts the new crop. Either way, one must have 15 years of continuous coverage or no "lifetime" benefit. Since AAFES didn't even offer health coverage to the RPTs until 1996, the first wave from the few that made it to RFT positions won't be vetted till next year.”

Again..  I am talking about Full time and not RFT…  You make it sound as if people are forced and held against their will to work as a RFT?  LOL  If you don’t want to work as a RFT, then don’t..  Really don’t know what point you keep trying to make between full time vs. RFT…   


“That is also not correct. AAFES does get IMPREST funding from tax dollars. Look it up. They are also reimbursed for some of those "losses" in war zones. In addition, AAFES stuff is shipped on military transport, so no cost there.”

There is a VERY small % that AAFES gets back for its MAC air shipments…  VERY small..  Again please get your facts correct before you post please..

[JohnHammer]

"Afghanistan will not be so lucrative, because the commander has put you guys on notice and you will not be able to drain the soldiers there like you have in Iraq."


please PLEASE, PLEASE you people pull more shite out fo the air then Al gore..

I would LOVE to see you back up this dumb arse no clue statement...  Please...

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=67911

Is this back up enough? 

Please leave Al Gore out of this, because people like you make him look like a genius by your mere existence.      Wait on it........................................................................................

WRONG..  Sorry..  Nice try but there is NOTHING in that artical you posted stating ANYTHING about "because the commander has put you guys on notice and you will not be able to drain the soldiers there like you have in Iraq."

Nice try but try again please..

[Insider1]

Well..it sure seems like John thinks of himself as pretty darn smart and we are all so impressed he has known several executives on a personal level.  But John you don't seem quite bright enough to understand that RFT(Regular Full Time) is Full Time. Maybe one of your executive buddies could talk very slowly and explain it to you.

[JohnHammer]

Well..it sure seems like John thinks of himself as pretty darn smart and we are all so impressed he has known several executives on a personal level.  But John you don't seem quite bright enough to understand that RFT(Regular Full Time) is Full Time. Maybe one of your executive buddies could talk very slowly and explain it to you.

LOL  All that porves is that I dont work at or for AAFES..  I thought RFT was the term for Part time...  or maybe tha is RPT..

Next??


Anyone?


I am waiting...

[Insider1]

John...I take it from your reply that you've come to grips with the thought that RFT is Regular Full Time. The fact you were so gracious in accepting your lack of knowledge on a basic AAFES terminology and perhaps common sense as well have convinced me that a bit of further education would be worth donating to you.

Part II of your lesson today is that RPT is indeed Regular Part Time. Now you see how that works right? Each of those initials in the terms RFT and RPT are the first letter of the word. They are acronyms....like AAFES is as well.

Now if we can just get you to work on your spelling and you can better "porve" your points. There is that handy spell check for you to use and in your situation would probably be a fine idea to do so.

From your first posts I really did think you were a misguided customer, but now as your spelling, grammar and coherence continue getting sloppier...I'm inclined to agree with those that have the opinion you are one of the clones.

[bnthrdntht]

I´m totally convinced that JH is a proud Aafes manager.  He has so much time on his hands to defend the lousy company.  In the meantime his employees are working like dogs and developing bad attitudes.

[JohnHammer]

So I see now you guys of course can NOT debate me on the FACTS so you are now turning to childish put downs to save face since you have now real Facts..
 
I don't blame you as I have turned everyone of yoru Misinformation (Or just plane lies) into FACTS..
 
I know, Its hard to argue when really don't know what your talking about and you pull crap out of the air (Like Al Gore) and then someone, like myself, comes along that blows your misinformation out of the water...  I would feel embarrassed if I was you too..  Its OK...
 
 
Next??
 
Anyone???
 
 
I am ready...